Fort Hood: 7 Killed, Dozen or more wounded!

[MattHunX]

Yes. A rather big one. News like these just piss me off. I would pull the plug on the guy in a heartbeat. It wouldn't bring back those unfortunate people, but it would make me feel a whole lot better.

And that's what it's ALL about, making you feel better.

Also, what about the families and friends of those who were murdered. They might feel better if justice was served and that trash would get what he deserves.

[TimONeill]

You haven't been around this board long enough to understand. If this story was about a Christian evangelical who shot up an abortion clinic (or the Holocaust museum in DC), no one would be defending his actions due to stress, discrimination, etc.

But because he's a Muslim, some posters apparently feel that we should be less harsh on him than normal. Screw that. All religious whack jobs get the same treatment.

Looks like you didn't really think this post through. The clear difference is that a Christian shooting up an abortion clinic is obviously motivated by his religion. It is not yet clear if this guy's religion was anything to do with his rampage other than, perhaps, making him the target of abuse in the workplace. At this stage all we know is that this is another guy going postal on his co-workers. Why he's done this remains to be seen. So people aren't saying we should be "less harsh on him", just that we shouldn't IRRATIONALLY jump to conclusions based on the fact he's a Muslim.

[andyx1205]

5 bucks says that most of the Americans in this thread would hear their heart pacing if they were to sit in a Bus in Canada that contained 5-10 Indian Sikhs who wore a Turban as well as a kurtha (traditional clothing).

In the same manner, everyone here is tripping balls at the picture of the assassin in his gown.

[Society!]

Yes. A rather big one. News like these just piss me off. I would pull the plug on the guy in a heartbeat. It wouldn't bring back those unfortunate people, but it would make me feel a whole lot better.

And that's what it's ALL about, making you feel better.

Also, what about the families and friends of those who were murdered. They might feel better if justice was served and that trash would get what he deserves.

Be honest, this is all just post facto justification, what it's really about is venting your rage and animosity against a group of people you despise, and this individual offers in your mind an encapsulation of that group. If this was really about sympathy for the victims, there would be a conscious attempt to understand the situation, which isn't evident in your posting.

I do think that Islam plays a huge part in this, at least in the selection of victims, but it's considered PC or avoiding the issue to discuss any other possible motivation - which is the perception I get from this thread. It's hard not to believe that many in this thread wish to use event in an almost cathartic way, venting hatred, but not advancing the conversation.

I have said that Islam plays a huge part, but no one here is placed well enough to say that it was the primary or only motivator, to believe you are is to believe in the infallibility of your own knowledge. Just hours after the event, and with no interviews with the shooter, many are willing to take so much on faith.

[MattHunX]

many are willing to take so much on faith.

Please, don't use that word.

And yes, I am venting, I can't even imagine how those who are there must feel. Threatened would be a good assumption.

I'm sure many, you as well, on this forum had enough of these incidents. Especially that the prime mover here, is most probably (alright, not 100%), religion, Islam.

Call me militant, in fact, I consider myself to be one (no banners and protesting though, just the rottweiler type)

I've had it with innocent, promising young people being killed in the name of some religion. Mostly Islam.

[andyx1205]

many are willing to take so much on faith.

Please, don't use that word.

And yes, I am venting, I can't even imagine how those who are there must feel. Threatened would be a good assumption.

I'm sure many, you as well, on this forum had enough of these incidents. Especially that the prime mover here, is most probably (alright, not 100%), religion, Islam.

Call me militant, in fact, I consider myself to be one (no banners and protesting though, just the rottweiler type)

I've had it with innocent, promising young people being killed in the name of some religion. Mostly Islam.

Why mostly Islam? Christians have killed more than any Muslims could have ever dreamed of. Don't forget that President Bush had launched his invasion due to being commanded by God.

[MattHunX]

Why mostly Islam? Christians have killed more than any Muslims could have ever dreamed of. Don't forget that President Bush had launched his invasion due to being commanded by God.

To answer that, here's my earlier post:

And I don't see Americans as the "good guys" either. 9/11 was just a good excuse to go killing. This is another Vietnam. Besides, who was the one who sent them there? George W. "God-told-me-to-invade" Bush. And the soldiers who are there aren't all fighting for oil and whatnot....most are fighting for "God and Country"....the fools who sent them there probably had more political reason on their minds, except for Bush.

But, we mostly here about Muslims blowing themselves, cars and buses up, and going on killing sprees yelling "Allah Akbar".

Christians "think" they're fighting for "God and Country"

....lambs to the slaughter on both sides.

[RichardPrins]

His faith is likely to be part of the story, but not all of it.

Focusing on Fort Hood Killer's Beliefs Is an Easy Out to Avoid the Deeper Reasons for the Massacre
That alleged killer Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is a Muslim is not enough to explain the attacks.

(...) You can already see the dark, rank heart of the American Soul in anonymous messages posted on underground right-wing sites such as Free Republic, a few of which are posted below:

Why is anyone surprised?

We already have a DIRTY MOSLEM TRAITOR in the Oval Office.

What's one more moslem piece of garbage?

* * *

[Quoting a previous posting] **If you are Islamic, you may not serve in our military. Period.**

I'm getting closer to:

If you are Islamic, you may not serve in our military live in this country.

Period.

* * *

I'm getting closer to:

If you are Islamic, you may not live. (...)

[MattHunX]

His faith is likely to be part of the story, but not all of it.

Focusing on Fort Hood Killer's Beliefs Is an Easy Out to Avoid the Deeper Reasons for the Massacre
That alleged killer Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is a Muslim is not enough to explain the attacks.

(...) You can already see the dark, rank heart of the American Soul in anonymous messages posted on underground right-wing sites such as Free Republic, a few of which are posted below:

Why is anyone surprised?

We already have a DIRTY MOSLEM TRAITOR in the Oval Office.

What's one more moslem piece of garbage?

* * *

[Quoting a previous posting] **If you are Islamic, you may not serve in our military. Period.**

I'm getting closer to:

If you are Islamic, you may not serve in our military live in this country.

Period.

* * *

I'm getting closer to:

If you are Islamic, you may not live. (...)

Not enough. Still it played a huge role in it. Very well could be the main motivator. Other reasons were only more fuel to the fire.

[Santa Claus]

And furthermore, what I am about to say about Hassan, I would say about anyone, of any religious persuasion, who did what he did.

The man was a putrid bucket of weak, cowardly, treasonous scum. Having never done a day, an hour, or even a minute in combat, this spoiled, coddled, PC-protected excuse for a man fucking snapped like a brittle twig, and brutally murdered 13 of his brothers, the only real brothers he would ever have. The sociopathic loser wrote himself into history as a morally bankrupt traitor, by breaking his oath and committing murderous treason against the only country he would ever have, the country which nutured him, educated him, and gave him a good, honorable job. A job which would not have put him in harm's way and would not have required him to ever engage in combat.

And yet, when called upon to do the duty he signed up for and swore an oath to do, the worthless bitch snapped, and committed cold-blooded, premeditated mass murder instead.

I so totally agree with this.

Why is there so much sympathy for an act of treason ? Why so much "empathy" for his "emotional state"?

Does anybody ever explain suicide bombers by noting the extreme stress of childhood in refuge camps? Are suicide bombers people who "snap" ? Are they mentally ill? According to their culture they are martyrs.

Hassan may or may not honestly name his motives. But I doubt that he is "insane" or that he "snapped." His peers in the army are medical professionals trained to treat mental anguish. They didn't see it.

This guy was functioning well enough to fool his superior officers and peers. He was functioning well enough to plan and implement mass murder.

This Hassan is a home-grown terrorist, and we need to admit it.

[Santa Claus]

5 bucks says that most of the Americans in this thread would hear their heart pacing if they were to sit in a Bus in Canada that contained 5-10 Indian Sikhs who wore a Turban as well as a kurtha (traditional clothing).

In the same manner, everyone here is tripping balls at the picture of the assassin in his gown.

Have you ever visited a city in the United States? Ever been to New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Los Angeles? And you seriously didn't see any Muslims walking around --- living their lives like everybody else?

Heck, we even let them ride buses here ! Seriously, you should visit a country before you condemn it.

[Virus909]

Don't forget that President Bush had launched his invasion due to being commanded by God.

No, actually. Unfortunately those are opposed to regime change in Iraq will have to come up with something better. The Palestinian official that was the source of that rumor later denied that Bush was speaking literally.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4320586.stm

MatthunX: We don't "pull the plug" on people out of vengeance. I'd prefer him to recover and spend the rest of his life behind bars.

[andyx1205]

5 bucks says that most of the Americans in this thread would hear their heart pacing if they were to sit in a Bus in Canada that contained 5-10 Indian Sikhs who wore a Turban as well as a kurtha (traditional clothing).

In the same manner, everyone here is tripping balls at the picture of the assassin in his gown.

Have you ever visited a city in the United States? Ever been to New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Los Angeles? And you seriously didn't see any Muslims walking around --- living their lives like everybody else?

Heck, we even let them ride buses here ! Seriously, you should visit a country before you condemn it.

I'm the one asking YOU AMERICANS if you've never seen any Muslims going on with their normal lives. Many of the individuals in this thread would shit their pants if they sat in a bus with 5 bearded Indian Sikhs that wore a Turban, as they would view them as "Muslim fundamentalists," just as they did with the picture noted in this thread with the individual wearing a white dress.

[james1v]

If he just "snapped", which people do, why didn't he kill himself? Why kill his "comrades"? Why the soldiers who where about to go to a muslim country?

[andyx1205]

If he just "snapped", which people do, why didn't he kill himself? Why kill his "comrades"? Why the soldiers who where about to go to a muslim country?

Why did the kid that shot up Virginia Tech kill innocents instead of committing suicide in his own home? We'll never know.

[zeroangel]

Looks like you didn't really think this post through. The clear difference is that a Christian shooting up an abortion clinic is obviously motivated by his religion.

No, that is not obvious. He could have worked there previously.

[james1v]

If he just "snapped", which people do, why didn't he kill himself? Why kill his "comrades"? Why the soldiers who where about to go to a muslim country?

Why did the kid that shot up Virginia Tech kill innocents instead of committing suicide in his own home? We'll never know.

We do know what motivated Cho, he was a stalker, obsessive, paranoid. He had been diagnosed.

This guy however, took his religion extremly seriously. He joined a muslim wife finding organisation, what did he put as his nationality on the form he had to fill in? Palastinian! That to me suggests he was a religious nut job. With an agenda.

[MattHunX]

And furthermore, what I am about to say about Hassan, I would say about anyone, of any religious persuasion, who did what he did.

The man was a putrid bucket of weak, cowardly, treasonous scum. Having never done a day, an hour, or even a minute in combat, this spoiled, coddled, PC-protected excuse for a man fucking snapped like a brittle twig, and brutally murdered 13 of his brothers, the only real brothers he would ever have. The sociopathic loser wrote himself into history as a morally bankrupt traitor, by breaking his oath and committing murderous treason against the only country he would ever have, the country which nutured him, educated him, and gave him a good, honorable job. A job which would not have put him in harm's way and would not have required him to ever engage in combat.

And yet, when called upon to do the duty he signed up for and swore an oath to do, the worthless bitch snapped, and committed cold-blooded, premeditated mass murder instead.

Toontown

Beautiful.

I so totally agree with this.

Why is there so much sympathy for an act of treason ? Why so much "empathy" for his "emotional state"?

Yes. Why indeed?

I tell you why.

Petty human emotions. That's why. "Sympathy for the Devil" really.

I don't have any sympathy whatsoever for scum like these, and would very much prefer it if he had died on the spot. "Thank God for sparing him" But, they want to ask him questions. Questions we already have an answer for. Waste of time. I hope they'll at least execute him once they're done with the interrogations.

[besleybean]

No we haven't got the answers already and execution won't help.

[Society!]

No but you see MattHunX has all the answers, or at least he has his faith.

And the fact that Toontown is getting so much applause for his ego-pumping rant shows that this is about pure emotionality, there's no reason involved, and then what do we have? Nothing.

[besleybean]

I know, I find it difficult to respond to such posts. Life seems so black and white, right and wrong are clear and we know who the goodies and baddies are...we have God on our side.

[james1v]

And furthermore, what I am about to say about Hassan, I would say about anyone, of any religious persuasion, who did what he did.

The man was a putrid bucket of weak, cowardly, treasonous scum. Having never done a day, an hour, or even a minute in combat, this spoiled, coddled, PC-protected excuse for a man fucking snapped like a brittle twig, and brutally murdered 13 of his brothers, the only real brothers he would ever have. The sociopathic loser wrote himself into history as a morally bankrupt traitor, by breaking his oath and committing murderous treason against the only country he would ever have, the country which nutured him, educated him, and gave him a good, honorable job. A job which would not have put him in harm's way and would not have required him to ever engage in combat.

And yet, when called upon to do the duty he signed up for and swore an oath to do, the worthless bitch snapped, and committed cold-blooded, premeditated mass murder instead.

Toontown

Beautiful.

I so totally agree with this.

Why is there so much sympathy for an act of treason ? Why so much "empathy" for his "emotional state"?

Yes. Why indeed?

I tell you why.

Petty human emotions. That's why. "Sympathy for the Devil" really.

I don't have any sympathy whatsoever for scum like these, and would very much prefer it if he had died on the spot. "Thank God for sparing him" But, they want to ask him questions. Questions we already have an answer for. Waste of time. I hope they'll at least execute him once they're done with the interrogations.

I disagree, he needs to be questioned. If it turns out he was acting alone, with no one radicalizing him, fine, lock him up forever. But i for one would like to find out if he had been radicalized and by whom, it could stop any further incidents like this. Lessons can be learned. Hopefully.

[andyx1205]

If he just "snapped", which people do, why didn't he kill himself? Why kill his "comrades"? Why the soldiers who where about to go to a muslim country?

Why did the kid that shot up Virginia Tech kill innocents instead of committing suicide in his own home? We'll never know.

We do know what motivated Cho, he was a stalker, obsessive, paranoid. He had been diagnosed.

This guy however, took his religion extremly seriously. He joined a muslim wife finding organisation, what did he put as his nationality on the form he had to fill in? Palastinian! That to me suggests he was a religious nut job. With an agenda.

So him identifying himself as a Palestinian = he's a religious nut job with an agenda?

[besleybean]

Possibly depends if he has any Palestinian connections.

[andyx1205]

Possibly depends if he has any Palestinian connections.

So all Palestinians have a "terrorist" growing inside of them? Sounds racist.