Is Obama a natural born citizen?

[Fastin]

I post this because it was brought up on another forum. I'm curious to here the thoughts of my fellow RD.net members.

Is this just a last ditch ploy to muddy the waters, or does this issue have traction. I have been told that the case is being seen before the supreme court. I'm attempting to find non-biased information about the case.

Thoughts?

[ScholasticSpastic]

He was born in Hawaii, so yes. Hawaii is a State in the Union and so everyone born there is a natural born citizen of the United States. Is there really any argument about his citizenship status?

[Arnaud]

He was born in Hawaii, so yes. Hawaii is a State in the Union and so everyone born there is a natural born citizen of the United States. Is there really any argument about his citizenship status?

Fox News tried there best.

[besleybean]

No, cos otherwise he couldn't be president.

[Fastin]

I'm referring to the numerous lawsuits being filed throughout the country, including one Philly attorney who is appealing his frivolous lawsuit to the Supreme Court. I fully understand that he says that he was born in Hawaii, etc.

Others are claiming that his certification is forged, etc.

Granted I disagree.

[ScholasticSpastic]

He was born in Hawaii, so yes. Hawaii is a State in the Union and so everyone born there is a natural born citizen of the United States. Is there really any argument about his citizenship status?

Fox News tried there best.

I hope Hawaii set them straight.

If I were Hawaiian, I'd be trying to put together a class-action suit against Faux News for defammation or some-such. While the media must be protected from frivolous law suits, they should also be taken to task, legally and financially, when a case can be made demonstrating a grievous pattern of falsehood. I'm confident such a case could be made against Faux News.

[ScholasticSpastic]

I'm referring to the numerous lawsuits being filed throughout the country, including one Philly attorney who is appealing his frivolous lawsuit to the Supreme Court. I fully understand that he says that he was born in Hawaii, etc.

Others are claiming that his certification is forged, etc.

Granted I disagree.

Obama raised a lot of money. I think countersuits are in order here- for sums large enough to pay for court costs and spank the cranks who filed the cases.

[listentoreason]

President-Elect Barack Obama's birth certificate can be seen here:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Remember, if a member of the GOP gives out a 'fact', I'd assume the opposite were true, then I'd do my own research.

[Kevin Ronayne]

Hawaii: became a state of the Union on August 21, 1959.

President-elect Barack Obama: born August 4, 1961, Honolulu.

... not so much as a crumb of hope for the crackpots.

[Fastin]

President-Elect Barack Obama's birth certificate can be seen here:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Remember, if a member of the GOP gives out a 'fact', I'd assume the opposite were true, then I'd do my own research.

Agreed.

I fully understand said certificate has been provided, along with outlets verifying the veracity of the document. However that isn't stopping the rabid devotion to the cause, namely the lawsuits being filed that claim it's fake/photo shopped/manipulated etc.

I suppose I shouldn't expect much from the other side, considering their definition of truth.

[Samantha]

I won't waste my time with accusation that the birth cert is a forgery, others have already debunked it. What does puzzle me though about the people who make this accusation is - what do they hope to achieve? Do they think it will roll back their electoral defeat and give them victory??

My understanding of US law is that if Obama were disqualified at this stage, Joe Biden would become President Elect. Are they really that keen to see Biden in the White House?

[Fastin]

My understanding of US law is that if Obama were disqualified at this stage, Joe Biden would become President Elect. Are they really that keen to see Biden in the White House?

As long as it isn't the muslim, liberal, black man sure. Personally, I feel they are looking for any slight "victory" they can get, and this in their twisted minds would be a victory.

[TBickle]

I post this because it was brought up on another forum. I'm curious to here the thoughts of my fellow RD.net members.

Is this just a last ditch ploy to muddy the waters, or does this issue have traction. I have been told that the case is being seen before the supreme court. I'm attempting to find non-biased information about the case.

Thoughts?

Coadie?

JimMet?

[WordNerd]

This "lawyer" is named Berg. He's also suing because he believes the US Government committed the 9/11 attacks.

He's a kook.

[mindcrime]

It seems that Hillary or McCain would have gotten to the bottom of that in order to benefit themselves months ago.

[WordNerd]

http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/phi ... uth-of-911

Check this guy out. Anyone who trusts anything he says he has "proof" of is off their rocker.

[Matt H.]

It's funny how so many of these 'Bushdidit' conspiracy theorists also think Bush is a dumbfuck.... yet he managed to pull off one of the most ingenious conspiracies in history... after all, the whole world bought it.

[PurpleRat]

He was born in Hawaii, so yes. Hawaii is a State in the Union and so everyone born there is a natural born citizen of the United States. Is there really any argument about his citizenship status?

Even more importantly than his place of birth is the fact that his mother is a natural born US citizen which guarantees him citizenship. If place of birth were actually an issue it's McCain who would come under scrutiny as he was born in Panama. But it's a non-issue. My sister in-law was born and raised in a foreign country yet there is absolutely no question about her citizenship because her parents are US citizens.

[PurpleRat]

It's funny how so many of these 'Bushdidit' conspiracy theorists also think Bush is a dumbfuck.... yet he managed to pull off one of the most ingenious conspiracies in history... after all, the whole world bought it.

Agreed. As much as I hate Bush (the president, not vaginas) the key evidence that he had nothing to do with 9/11 is that it was a well thought-out plan that actually worked. There is no evidence over the past eight years that the Bush administration has done anything like that.

[WordNerd]

He was born in Hawaii, so yes. Hawaii is a State in the Union and so everyone born there is a natural born citizen of the United States. Is there really any argument about his citizenship status?

Even more importantly than his place of birth is the fact that his mother is a natural born US citizen which guarantees him citizenship. If place of birth were actually an issue it's McCain who would come under scrutiny as he was born in Panama. But it's a non-issue. My sister in-law was born and raised in a foreign country yet there is absolutely no question about her citizenship because her parents are US citizens.

That's actually incorrect. If he wasn't born on US soil, he would have to be born of TWO citizens or ONE who is currently in the military or working for the federal government.

But he was born in Hawaii, so it's a non-issue.

[coadie]

President-Elect Barack Obama's birth certificate can be seen here:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Remember, if a member of the GOP gives out a 'fact', I'd assume the opposite were true, then I'd do my own research.

That is a word processor knock off. It is NOT a certificate of live birth.

[saaweeet]

Shit, coadie's back?

[WordNerd]

President-Elect Barack Obama's birth certificate can be seen here:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Remember, if a member of the GOP gives out a 'fact', I'd assume the opposite were true, then I'd do my own research.

That is a word processor knock off. It is NOT a certificate of live birth.

But the Republican governor of Hawaii verified that his live birth certificate is in the government's possession there, and Hawaii state law says that only family members can request such a document. You're following the rantings of a proven nutjob.

[coadie]

President-Elect Barack Obama's birth certificate can be seen here:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Remember, if a member of the GOP gives out a 'fact', I'd assume the opposite were true, then I'd do my own research.

That is a word processor knock off. It is NOT a certificate of live birth.

But the Republican governor of Hawaii verified that his live birth certificate is in the government's possession there, and Hawaii state law says that only family members can request such a document. You're following the rantings of a proven nutjob.

You folks seem to not be up to date. there is a court case tomorrow the 18th.

http://www.contrariancommentary.com/community/Home/tabid/36/mid/363/newsid363/317/Default.aspx

Martin has researched Obama for several years now. We have a lot of info from Chicago. No one seems to know what is on the certificate of Live birth that hinders Obama from showing it. Of course it has a doc signature and some detail he doesn't want exposed. I hear he has to show it by december 1 for the SCOTUS.

[saaweeet]