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aquablue wrote:stijndeloose: (and more...) which are those.
stijndeloose wrote: I should read something by Gould as well. (Does anyone have any recommendations?)
Feivel wrote:stijndeloose wrote: I should read something by Gould as well. (Does anyone have any recommendations?)
Evolution Of Life On Earth from Gould is good.
aquablue wrote:Which books are essential to have in your personal evolution library- from newbie to elder disciple; not just Dawkins literature either.
aquablue wrote:I need to append another question: For the beginner starting his/her very first Evolution library, what book should be (must be) purchased first and why?

Darwinsbulldog wrote:Dawkins, Richard (1996)"Climbing Mount Improbable"
matt_shute-07 wrote:Darwinsbulldog wrote:Dawkins, Richard (1996)"Climbing Mount Improbable"
As an introduction, I think I'd slightly favour The Blind Watchmaker by Dawkins. With his characteristically lucid prose he explains how natural selection produces all the stunning complexity of living things, and throughout he contrasts the fact of evolution with the non-theory of "Design". A good companion-piece would be Dawkins's latest book, The Greatest Show on Earth. While the former book is a crash-course on how evolution by natural selection works, the latter offers a good overview of the evidence.
Of course, nobody interested in the subject should be without a copy of the classic On the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin.

matt_shute-07 wrote:Let's agree that they're both excellent books. I must concede that the analogy of the mountain with a sheer vertical surface at one end, and a gentle slope around the back, gradually leading to the summit, is very good.


matt_shute-07 wrote:A good companion-piece would be Dawkins's latest book, The Greatest Show on Earth. While the former book is a crash-course on how evolution by natural selection works, the latter offers a good overview of the evidence.
aquablue wrote:I need to append another question: For the beginner starting his/her very first Evolution library, what book should be (must be) purchased first and why?
susu.exp wrote:No, it doesn´t. Reasons to be found elsewhere (see the RD section of the forum). If you refrain from reading chapters 2 and 10, you will at least not get stuck with really bad wrong impressions (less of them in chapter 10 than in chapter 2), but a book that is filled with tangential stuff and fails at laying out the evidence. What is the best evidence for universal common descent? The universal homologies. Of the 13 listed, the book makes mention of a maximum of 3 (that is if you count the notion that "the DNA code is invariant across all living creatures" on page 315 as genetic material, genetic code and bases used in DNA.). That single textbox (from the Barton et al. textbook noted above - they put all their figures and tables online as well as 2 additional chapters - highly reccomended) has more than 4 times the evidence for common descent as TGSOE. So... I´m rather unimpressed.
mizvekov wrote:The book is aimed at creationists, so Richard omits those evidences which they most easily dismiss. (ie homologies is 'reuse of ideas' or 'style of the creator' etc, ofcourse he could have turned the argument around instead)
susu.exp wrote:mizvekov wrote:The book is aimed at creationists, so Richard omits those evidences which they most easily dismiss. (ie homologies is 'reuse of ideas' or 'style of the creator' etc, ofcourse he could have turned the argument around instead)
But he discusses homologies at lenght (3 chapters on morphological homologies, developmental homologies and molecular homologies repsectively). They are discussed to support clades. Which is what they do - no problem there. But universal common descent - all life going back to one common ancestor, i.e. life being a single clade is not discussed in this way. And that´s weird, considering that it´s probably the single thing about evolution creationists dislike the most.
susu.exp wrote:I don´t think the UHs are easy to dismiss. The genetic code is suboptimal - a frozen accident. Why design everything with not just a flaw, but the same flaw? The same goes for the amino acids. I´ve got more than 400 parts to build things from. Why restrict myself to 20, even though there are often other parts that would work better. In fact, some organisms have proteins that "retrofit" other proteins with other amino acids.
j.mills wrote:Psst! Could you give us a paragraph on this vitamin C thing please?

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