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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby kiore » Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:13 pm

pwing wrote::arghhh:
Well after almost 18 hours fooling with my gso folder I finally have to admit I have a flaky motherboard. It has decided to not post or just do a partial post. I give up on that board and will get another one later.
Will run a 2 slot MB until I can afford a replacement. My ppd will suffer but so be it.


Oh man you've had some bad luck with hard ware, was just about to congratulate you on overtaking me in production..
Guess you've tried all the tricks with your RAM and cmos battery and disconnecting everything not needed for the post.
You can't RMA it? I have been fortunate with most of my stuff as I have no option to return anything..
Still losing 2 9600GSOs only drops you back 6 or 7kppd you could make that up if you can get notfred's working.
Understand the frustration.
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby pwing » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:09 pm

I have one K9A2 in process of RMA right now for the 3rd attempt. If it works then it wont be a bad deal, Yes i will RMA this one too.

If it wasnt for bad luck I wouldn't have any luck at all. :whine:

But I do have 3 other 2 pcie slot boards if need be.

I will get 50k a day before it is done
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby kiore » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:51 pm

pwing wrote:I have one K9A2 in process of RMA right now for the 3rd attempt. If it works then it wont be a bad deal, Yes i will RMA this one too.

If it wasnt for bad luck I wouldn't have any luck at all. :whine:

But I do have 3 other 2 pcie slot boards if need be.

I will get 50k a day before it is done


Wow, you had 3 K9A2 platinums?? :shock: And 4 double slot boards!!
But according to kakao stats you did break the 50kppd threshold in the last 24/24 so it's just the average you need, which is not so easy in practise., which is why you and me are still in the top few hundred for daily output despite your close relationship with the couriers ;) and my internet connection and powercut issues.. BYT my ADSL working again seems to work 2nd daily.
Hey if you ever have too much spare hardware, pm me and maybe we can sort out something, international sanctions prevent me accessing ebay etc.
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby kiore » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:30 pm

Welcome to 2 new team members appearing on the stats today:
Alex Haas and Universum :clap: :clap: :clap:
Welcome onboard why don't you drop by and say Hi . :wave:
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby pwing » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:22 pm

Alex Haas and Universum

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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby cackle » Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:22 pm

Hey everyone! I'm folding under Alex_Haas. Thanks for the welcome to the forum :-D I've got both my computers switched over and I'm looking forward to contributing to the RDFRS folding team.
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby ginckgo » Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:52 am

I've been having problems with my F@H running on my home iMac. I use InCrease, and it's done a couple of units already, but since it finished the most recent one, it can't seem to get a new one. This sort of happened before, but after quitting and restarting InCrease a few times (isn't that the normal IT method?) it managed to get a new unit. This time it's been over a week and still the same problems. No settings have changed. Help?
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby kiore » Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:28 am

ginckgo wrote:I've been having problems with my F@H running on my home iMac. I use InCrease, and it's done a couple of units already, but since it finished the most recent one, it can't seem to get a new one. This sort of happened before, but after quitting and restarting InCrease a few times (isn't that the normal IT method?) it managed to get a new unit. This time it's been over a week and still the same problems. No settings have changed. Help?


What does Increase say it is doing? Waiting for a server or what? Can you see if it sent the last one? How is it connected to the net, permanantly or intermittently. How long has it been waiting for work?
Is this a new mac, what version? There have been some teething problems with snow leopard I hear.
Yes quitting and restarting is usually the trick. ;) Increase is usually reliable, other thing to check is whether there are 2 instances of it or something funny like that. Are you using the widget istatpro? Keeps tracks of what processes are running temps etc, makes it easy to check what is running and what percentages etc, it also shows pages in/out which will tell you if your RAM is sufficient.


Hello cackle, big score for first day thought you must be using a video card to knock out so many :cool:
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby Made Of Stars » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:14 pm

cackle wrote:Hey everyone! I'm folding under Alex_Haas. Thanks for the welcome to the forum :-D I've got both my computers switched over and I'm looking forward to contributing to the RDFRS folding team.

hi there and welcome to the forum! When you get a chance, please stop by the New Members forum to introduce yourself so others can say hi too. :cheers:
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby pwing » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:29 pm

Kiore

gso rig back on line but only running 3 gpus. Back to same problem of the 3rd pcie slot not accepting card.
Took a lot of tries to get this board to post again but seems OK with 3 for now. Back-up K9A2 is with shipper on the way back to me. Better work this time.
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby kiore » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:47 pm

pwing wrote:Kiore

gso rig back on line but only running 3 gpus. Back to same problem of the 3rd pcie slot not accepting card.
Took a lot of tries to get this board to post again but seems OK with 3 for now. Back-up K9A2 is with shipper on the way back to me. Better work this time.


:clap: :clap: :clap: good work 3 out of 4 not too bad, a complex machine the 4 slot motherboard, and to think the K9A2platinum considered the most reliable one, the ex demo model I got first hasn't missed a beat the brand new one needed the bios flashing but running so far so good for over a month...making me think I should get a back up 2 slot board though especially as it is minimum 2 months between shopping trips.. :ask:
All the best with your RMAs.
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby pwing » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:59 pm

Bad news for any one waiting for price drops on existing lines of Nvidia video cards according to: IMPAI.com.cn

Although NVIDIA has demonstrated some Fermi products,the real availability for consumers still need a long time.Many previous reporters believes Nvidia is "doing their best" to have a working Fermi demonstration at CES 2010, which takes place in Las Vegas, Nevada, from 7th to 10th January, 2010.In fact, commericial availability of Fermi is expects in Feburary at the earliest.HardOCP speculates the actual release is likely in March,2010.
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby kiore » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:47 pm

pwing wrote:Bad news for any one waiting for price drops on existing lines of Nvidia video cards according to: IMPAI.com.cn

Although NVIDIA has demonstrated some Fermi products,the real availability for consumers still need a long time.Many previous reporters believes Nvidia is "doing their best" to have a working Fermi demonstration at CES 2010, which takes place in Las Vegas, Nevada, from 7th to 10th January, 2010.In fact, commericial availability of Fermi is expects in Feburary at the earliest.HardOCP speculates the actual release is likely in March,2010.


Yes had been watching the card prices slowly drop then stall.. Oh well.

Welcome new team member Jonz
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Great to have some new recruits. :mrgreen:

Speaking of the score board I just hit my 4 million mark :-D despite being very stupid and losing all my #1 system's work..
Had had a strange new hardware (a USB drive) crash a little while ago and strange things had been going on finally resulting in me being unable to use firefox. Suspecting a virus, did a scan which returned a scan complete 5/11/2002 result.. so I reset the clock forward 7 years.. and all units expired as past deadline by 7 years! :oops:
Face palm and missed face.. 8 work units gone 3 were big cpu one and 80-90% complete..should have let them finish first.
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby pwing » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:43 pm

Congrats to Kiore .. 4,000,000

Lots of work done there


Yep I have had the time correction wipe out all work.. it sucks...
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby kiore » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:01 pm

Thanks. :razz:
Should be able to prevent the time correction issue when setting up a console client marking "ignore clocks" seems I didn't do this, in fact I'm sure I didn't.. :oops:
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby ginckgo » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:08 am

kiore wrote:
ginckgo wrote:I've been having problems with my F@H running on my home iMac. I use InCrease, and it's done a couple of units already, but since it finished the most recent one, it can't seem to get a new one. This sort of happened before, but after quitting and restarting InCrease a few times (isn't that the normal IT method?) it managed to get a new unit. This time it's been over a week and still the same problems. No settings have changed. Help?


What does Increase say it is doing? Waiting for a server or what? Can you see if it sent the last one? How is it connected to the net, permanantly or intermittently. How long has it been waiting for work?


InCrease wrote:[07:28:25] + Attempting to get work packet
[07:28:25] - Will indicate memory of 1792 MB.
[07:28:25] - Connecting to assignment server
[07:28:25] Connecting to http://assign.stanford.edu:8080/
[07:28:27] Posted data.
[07:28:27] Initial: 0000; - Successful: assigned to (0.0.0.0).
[07:28:27] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[07:28:27] Work Unit has an invalid address.
[07:28:27] - Error: Attempt #14 to get work failed, and no other work to do.
Waiting before retry.


I've got the internet (cable) on while the computer is on, if that's what you mean. I'm pretty sure it sent the last one, as I think it said it had done so.

kiore wrote:Is this a new mac, what version? There have been some teething problems with snow leopard I hear.


It's an early 2009 model (i.e. the one just before the newest). Still running Leopard, though I might upgrade to SL soon.

kiore wrote:Yes quitting and restarting is usually the trick. ;) Increase is usually reliable, other thing to check is whether there are 2 instances of it or something funny like that. Are you using the widget istatpro? Keeps tracks of what processes are running temps etc, makes it easy to check what is running and what percentages etc, it also shows pages in/out which will tell you if your RAM is sufficient.


istatpro indicates only one instance of InCrease. Got 2GB of RAM.

Though I'm a bit disappointed with it, as it took more than twice the time to get through units than my PC does at work.
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby kiore » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:56 am

@ginckgo looks like a bad work unit clogging the system will post this in the help forum for some assistance.
The Imac should be fairly fast, not sure why it would be slow, your say istat pro says there is one F@H process running did you have 2 or 1 loaded? Istat should say something like "nice"= 90+% or 45+% if only 1 units for 2 cores.

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OK read this:
http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=11765

Server 0.0.0.0 means either no work is available or there is a problem with your client set up.
Did you set up the client or did you let Increase do it for you?
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby Ohnhai » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:18 am

Folding again....

1050/150000 and counting....



Still I'm surprised to see that I've only slipped to 6th ! come on every one fold harder...

also 3.2 months till we over take 'Nerds for Jesus' (looked like such an unattainable goal all those months ago...)

ABE..........

Also for the first time I have the Nvidia client working and 4 console cpu clients running.... :)
gone for BIG work units on the CPU's and with the % comps currently running at 41% GPU and 2% for each CPU my current FahMon predicted PPD is 7170.

should I be running big or normal units on the CPU's?
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby kiore » Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:57 am

Ohnhai wrote:Folding again....

1050/150000 and counting....



Still I'm surprised to see that I've only slipped to 6th ! come on every one fold harder...

also 3.2 months till we over take 'Nerds for Jesus' (looked like such an unattainable goal all those months ago...)

ABE..........

Also for the first time I have the Nvidia client working and 4 console cpu clients running.... :)
gone for BIG work units on the CPU's and with the % comps currently running at 41% GPU and 2% for each CPU my current FahMon predicted PPD is 7170.

should I be running big or normal units on the CPU's?

Welcome back oh 1000 posted one :cool:
CPU console big will get you the 905 point units continuously (at present) normal will give yo a mix of faster and slower ones, up to you. You could run the SMP client but winSMP not that much more productive and harder work, virtual linux SMPs much better but RAM intensive.
Advise updating your driver if you haven't done so to the 190 series cuda has put my 9800Gts over 6kppd on 353 pointers for the first time ever, you're still running a 9800GT?
Yes we are sneaking towards a million a week! Who would have thought, and the team was just you and a PS3 for how long?? Tell us about the 'olden days' .
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby ginckgo » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:50 am

kiore wrote:@ginckgo looks like a bad work unit clogging the system will post this in the help forum for some assistance.
The Imac should be fairly fast, not sure why it would be slow, your say istat pro says there is one F@H process running did you have 2 or 1 loaded? Istat should say something like "nice"= 90+% or 45+% if only 1 units for 2 cores.


Well, it's not folding at the mo, so it says "nice = 0%".

kiore wrote:OK read this:
http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=11765

Server 0.0.0.0 means either no work is available or there is a problem with your client set up.
Did you set up the client or did you let Increase do it for you?
Hope to get you back online soon.

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I pretty much let Increase do the setup.

I've noticed that all it now says is:
Increase wrote:--- Opening Log file [October 28 09:13:26]


# Mac OS X Edition ############################################################
###############################################################################

Folding@Home Client Version 5.02

http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Launch directory: /Users/Rolf/Library/InCrease/unit1
Executable: /Users/Rolf/Library/InCrease/unit1/fah5
Arguments: -local -advmethods -forceasm -verbosity 9

Warning:
By using the -forceasm flag, you are overriding
safeguards in the program. If you did not intend to
do this, please restart the program without -forceasm.
If work units are not completing fully (and particularly
if your machine is overclocked), then please discontinue
use of the flag.

[09:13:26] - Ask before connecting: No
[09:13:26] - User name: ginckgo (Team 75655)
[09:13:26] - User ID: 388541FE53A12D9B
[09:13:26] - Machine ID: 1
[09:13:26]
[09:13:26] Loaded queue successfully.
[09:13:26] + Benchmarking ...


It doesn't even refresh that when I un-check the "forceasm".
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby kiore » Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:06 pm

@gingko don't overide forcasm flag it is neccessary for Increase your previous log showed: poor connectivety or no work to do or a fault in the setup. If it still is not working, hunt down all FAH and Increase files, use spotlight they will generally be in library, and delete and do a clean reinstall on Increase and see what happens. Perhaps something is corrupted, by this time it would seem setup fault most likely, the fact that you reported it slowing down first also points to that. Increase generally very reliable but is a 3rd party app, pity there is no similar thing for window$.
0% Nice is OK that does mean nothing working so eliminates multiple clients as an issue.
Sorry not too up on this as nolonger mac fold.
Feed back if working or not.
If not post your specs, go to apple symbol > about this mac and list your version 10.4.5 G4 etc and processor speed and I will take to help forum for you, or you could post there, remember if you do.
List your system specs.
What client = Increase uniprocessor.
What happened briefly.
Your logs in between CODE like quote function, so they can be scrolled through easily.
Code: Select all
post logs ..

and
Code: Select all
the other log

Easier if you do it instead of me trying to explain. :mrgreen:
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby kiore » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:49 am

Did the 16 million mark pass us by without a celebration? Million marks getting common place now, which is good news. :cheesygrin:

Welcome new team member Stuey 2 work units complete already! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Congrats also to recently joined team members Jonz for 10k at a quick rate, video card perhaps running there. ;)
and Alex Haas who is positively flying along and now passed 35k, on what seems to be an ATI card, or 2 maybe.

Foldon.

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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby icenine » Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:19 am

Congrats on the blue name kiore! :toast:
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby kiore » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:10 am

icenine wrote:Congrats on the blue name kiore! :toast:


Thanks. See you've passed your 100 too ;)
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Re: RDFRS Folding@Home Team Thread II

Postby dave.alkire » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:36 pm

Logo anyone? I feel that someone should create or reuse a team logo and put it into the main folding team page. Maybe the scarlet 'A'? Or anything - you can change it periodically. But the 'broken image' icon is a little off-putting.

So far I see three atheism-related FAH teams: Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science, the godless ones, and Humanists, Atheists and Freethinkers, with active CPU counts at 184, 136 and 39 respectively.

I think the reason that RDFRS is the most successful of those memes right now, is because its homepage does the best job of fostering community, and I think that the most useful tool to that end has been, this very thread/forum. I've been contributing to the "Humanists, Atheists.." team for many years now but I'm strongly considering jumping over to your boat since you have a means to share ideas and not just CPU cycles.

Now I reiterate - just for the sake of being fully-formed: Please, put up a logo.

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